Weldon Kennedy.
Co-Founder & CMO · Copper
I motivated by core values of fairness, justice, sustainability, and equality. I believe the most impactful thing I can do is recruit someone else to take action in pursuit of those same values. So I run social campaigns. I have experience in the US, Europe, and East Africa, where I've been deeply involved in founding or early stages of socially motivated companies and non-profit organizations.
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Weldon Kennedy
Co-Founder & CMO
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Copper
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How Copper Built a New Category by Selling Against a $800,000 Renovation, Not a Competing Stove

It started in a Seattle kitchen in January.

Weldon Kennedy, Co-Founder and CMO at Copper, was visiting a friend — a former medical doctor turned public health researcher — and went to cook dinner. He turned on the gas stove. His friend sprinted in and threw open the back door into a cold rainstorm.

"Oh, sorry, we have a gas stove. You have to do this when you have a gas stove."

Weldon had cooked on gas his entire life. He had never heard this before. In a recent episode of BUILDERS, he walked through how that moment led to a company redefining home electrification — and the GTM playbook built to sell something that looks like a stove but operates in an entirely different competitive frame.

When Your Real Competitor Is a Line Item, Not a Product

Copper makes battery-equipped induction ranges. The battery charges slowly from a standard wall outlet, then releases power quickly — no new circuits, no electrician, no permits. It slides into the space where a gas range used to be and plugs in.

The product looks like an appliance. The competitive frame is not.

"We were competing against a bunch of infrastructure work," Weldon said. "We weren't competing against another appliance."

He described a Los Angeles apartment building Copper recently worked with. The walls were old enough that pulling new cable would trigger lead remediation, displacing residents for cleanup. A traditional electric stove needs 50 amps of service — doubling the electrical requirements per unit — which cascades into new panels per unit, a new load center, and a new service line in. Total cost of the conventional path: $800,000.

Copper's solution: plug into the outlet already there. The one running the oven light.

The core problem Weldon identifies is that buyers apply the wrong evaluation framework before you've made your case. They see a familiar form factor and pattern-match to a familiar decision. The real cost comparison never gets run. "People assume this level of familiarity — they see a sticker price or a basic spec and they think they understand it because there's some familiarity." Copper isn't competing against better stoves. It's competing against a decision the buyer hasn't correctly framed yet.

Inbound as Category Education

Weldon's response to the familiarity problem wasn't more elaborate outbound. It was building credibility infrastructure that reaches buyers who've already encountered the problem. Media coverage, reviews, strategic endorsements — each does category education before Copper enters the conversation. "We've lived off inbound business basically. It's just people who are out there looking for the solution because the alternative is so hard."

The limitation he names directly: none of that reaches buyers who haven't hit the problem yet. "We need to do a much better job of explaining for people who aren't searching for our category what this category means and what it does." Surfing Two Waves — and Knowing When to Sprint

Copper's demand is shaped by two forces they didn't create but actively position around. The first is health research: a child in a home with a gas stove is 42% more likely to develop childhood asthma, and in California, 13% of all childhood asthma cases are directly attributable to gas stoves. The second is culinary: chefs including Matty Matheson, Alison Roman, Samin Nosrat, and the Milk Street team are publicly evangelizing induction on performance grounds.

The tactical move Weldon describes is easy to undervalue. When RMI and other researchers published findings on gas stove health risks and the story went national, Copper was early-stage with a long launch runway. Their response: cut it in half. "We need to get to market now." The window when someone else is funding your demand creation is narrow.

Rather than owning either wave as a brand message, Copper embeds in the infrastructure producing credibility. On the health side, they partner with researchers studying gas-to-electric transitions — positioned as the market intervention point where studies happen. "We can help those health studies happen. We can help accelerate them. We don't have to be out there saying this is scary. We can just focus on the good things."

On the culinary side, genuine converts carry the message. Actress Jenny Slate, concerned about air quality for her child, reached out asking for a range and offered to make a video. A Milk Street chef bought one for her own home; the team subsequently put one in their studio. Neither was paid. "We're finding those endorsers who speak to those personas of people who are most interested in this transition. You can't just sit back and expect to surf. You have to tailor your work to match the people who are part of the movement."

The Channel Architecture

When asked about the B2B, B2G, and D2C mix, Weldon laughed: "God, I wish there was only those three."

Copper also runs B2B2C — and the mechanism matters. HVAC installers in most states don't need an electrician on-site to complete an install. That licensing reality meant they couldn't sell induction stoves requiring new electrical work. Copper's plug-in design aligns exactly with what HVAC installers are already licensed to do. When a homeowner asks mid heat-pump installation whether the company handles other electrification upgrades, the installer now has a product to close with. The New York City Housing Authority selected Copper to supply 10,000 ranges across their buildings — a B2G contract that absorbs significant demand without consumer marketing spend. For D2C, Copper targets buyers who've already signaled intent: homeowners with solar installs, people engaging with electrification content. Critically, that same D2C collateral travels directly into the B2B2C channel. "The B2B seed work ends up being — you get to recycle a lot of those D2C materials."

The Actual Work of Category Creation

"That's what category creation and thinking is," Weldon said. "Finding all these opportunities where, because of specific regulations, because of the nature of the market you're competing in, there's actually something fundamentally different about the product you're bringing to market than everything that may look similar before."

Move fast when the window opens. Embed in the infrastructure generating third-party credibility. Choose endorsers for identity fit, not reach. Design the product so its constraints become a channel partner's unlock.

Copper isn't selling a stove. It's selling the elimination of a renovation, the removal of a health risk, and the only path from gas to electric that doesn't require an electrician. The category just happens to sit in your kitchen.

Listen to the full conversation with Weldon Kennedy on BUILDERS.

Seven takeaways from this conversation.

Actionable for Clean Energy & Climate Tech founders

  1. The familiarity trap is your biggest category creation problem.
    When buyers see a new product that resembles something familiar, they skip the real evaluation. They glance at the sticker price, assume they understand the trade-offs, and move on. Weldon describes this as the core challenge in category creation: "People assume this level of familiarity — they see a basic spec and think they understand it." The unlock isn't better messaging about your product. It's reframing the actual decision. For Copper, that means showing a building owner the full infrastructure cost they're avoiding — lead remediation, panel upgrades, new service lines — not leading with stove specs. Find the real comparison your buyer needs to run, then make it unavoidable.
  2. Identify what you're actually competing against — it's usually not another product.
    Copper competes against a building renovation budget, not other appliances. In the LA example, the true alternative to buying a Copper range was $800,000 in electrical infrastructure work. Until you surface that real competitive frame, your positioning is aimed at the wrong target. Ask: what does the buyer actually do if they don't buy from us? Map that full cost — time, capital, logistics, disruption — and build your sales narrative around eliminating it.
  3. Category creation unlocks distribution partners who were previously locked out.
    In most states, HVAC installers can complete an install without an electrician on-site — meaning they couldn't sell a traditional induction stove that requires new wiring, but they can sell Copper's range. The installer is already in the customer's home, already having the electrification conversation, and now has a product to close with. Weldon's point isn't just that new categories open new markets — it's that the specific technical constraints of your category may give existing partners a capability they never had. Map the regulatory and licensing landscape of your channel partners. Your category's constraints might be their opportunity.
  4. When a macro wave hits, cut your timeline — don't optimize it.
    When RMI and other researchers published findings on gas stove health risks and the story went national, Copper wasn't ready to ship. Their response: cut their go-to-market timeline in half. Not refine it. Not de-risk it. Halve it. The window of peak demand creation — when someone else is doing the expensive work of shifting buyer awareness — is narrow. If you're close but not ready, fast is better than polished.
  5. Support the wave rather than trying to own it.
    Copper didn't run campaigns about the dangers of gas stoves. Instead, they partnered with health researchers who were already doing that work — facilitating studies of households transitioning from gas to electric, where Copper happens to be the market intervention point. This does three things: it keeps Copper out of the role of fear-based messenger, it generates independent third-party evidence, and it embeds the company in the research infrastructure that continues to produce credibility over time. Find the researchers, journalists, or institutions already advancing your buyer's awareness and make their work easier.
  6. Match endorsers to identity, not audience size.
    Copper's endorsement strategy is built around persona fit, not follower count. Jenny Slate — a parent publicly vocal about her kid's health — speaks directly to the parent-of-young-children buyer who's seen the asthma research and wants out of gas. The Milk Street team reaches serious home cooks motivated by performance. Neither is a paid spokesperson running a campaign — both are people who genuinely switched and wanted to tell others. Weldon's framing: "You are helping people see their own identity as part of a collective group of people all doing the same actions." The endorser's identity has to mirror the buyer's identity. Reach is a distant second.
  7. Build D2C assets to carry your full channel stack.
    Copper sells D2C, through HVAC installers, through solar companies, and into governments — but the core marketing collateral is largely the same across all of them. The B2B2C partners (HVAC, solar) use Copper's D2C materials directly with end customers. The implication: investing in D2C content quality isn't just a consumer play. If your product has any channel-partner motion, D2C assets that clearly convey the customer experience will do the heavy lifting in those channels too. Build them as if your partners' salespeople will hand them directly to buyers — because they will.